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04/07/2005 01:30 PM Senate TRANSPORTATION


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01:36:08 PM Start
01:36:39 PM SB153
02:29:11 PM Overview: Dotpf Projects
03:10:09 PM Adjourn
* first hearing in first committee of referral
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*+ SB 153 INTERNATIONAL AIRPORTS REVENUE BONDS TELECONFERENCED
Moved SB 153 Out of Committee
+ DOT/PF - Briefing of Projects: TELECONFERENCED
Wasilla Bypass
McCarthy Road
Mid Region (SE) Access aka Bradfield/
Gravina Island Bridge
North Pole Rich Hwy/Dawson Interchange
Fairbanks University Ave/Giest Road
Intersection
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                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
            SENATE TRANSPORTATION STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                          
                         April 7, 2005                                                                                          
                           1:36 p.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Charlie Huggins, Chair                                                                                                  
Senator John Cowdery, Vice Chair                                                                                                
Senator Gene Therriault                                                                                                         
Senator Hollis French                                                                                                           
Senator Albert Kookesh                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                              
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                              
All members present                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                              
SENATE BILL NO. 153                                                                                                             
"An Act relating to international airports revenue bonds; and                                                                   
providing for an effective date."                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     HEARD AND HELD                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Overview: Department of Transportation and Public Facilities                                                                    
Projects                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                              
BILL: SB 153                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: INTERNATIONAL AIRPORTS REVENUE BONDS                                                                               
SPONSOR(s): RULES BY REQUEST OF THE GOVERNOR                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
03/29/05       (S)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
03/29/05       (S)       TRA, FIN                                                                                               
04/07/05       (H)       TRA AT 1:30 PM CAPITOL 17                                                                              
04/07/05       (S)       Moved SB 153 Out of Committee                                                                          
04/07/05       (S)       MINUTE(TRA)                                                                                            
04/08/05       (S)       TRA RPT 2DP 3NR                                                                                        
04/08/05       (S)       DP: HUGGINS, COWDERY                                                                                   
04/08/05       (S)       NR: FRENCH, THERRIAULT, KOOKESH                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Mike Barton, Commissioner                                                                                                   
Department of Transportation & Public Facilities                                                                                
3132 Channel Dr.                                                                                                                
Juneau, AK  99801-7898                                                                                                          
POSITION STATEMENT: Introduced SB 153.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                              
Mr. Brad Sworts, Planner                                                                                                        
Department of Transportation & Public Facilities                                                                                
P.O. Box 196900                                                                                                                 
Anchorage, Alaska 99519-6900                                                                                                    
POSITION STATEMENT: Presented the overview.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Dave Eberly, Director of Airport Construction                                                                               
Department of Transportation & Public Facilities                                                                                
3132 Channel Dr.                                                                                                                
Juneau, AK  99801-7898                                                                                                          
POSITION STATEMENT: Participated in the overview.                                                                             
                                                                                                                              
Mr. Deven Mitchell, Executive Director                                                                                          
Alaska Municipal Bond Bank Authority                                                                                            
Department of Revenue                                                                                                           
PO Box 110400                                                                                                                   
Juneau, AK  99811-0400                                                                                                          
POSITION STATEMENT: Participated in the overview                                                                              
                                                                                                                              
Mr. Jerry Rafson                                                                                                                
Chief of Finance                                                                                                                
Northern Region                                                                                                                 
Department of Transportation & Public Facilities                                                                                
3132 Channel Dr.                                                                                                                
Juneau, AK  99801-7898                                                                                                          
POSITION STATEMENT: Participated in the overview                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR CHARLIE  HUGGINS called the Senate  Transportation Standing                                                             
Committee meeting to order at  1:36:08 PM.  Present were Senators                                                             
John  Cowdery, Gene  Therriault, Hollis  French, Albert  Kookesh,                                                               
and Chair Charlie Huggins.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
          SB 153-INTERNATIONAL AIRPORTS REVENUE BONDS                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:36:39 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR HUGGINS announced SB 153 to be up for consideration.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. MIKE BARTON, Commissioner, Department of Transportation and                                                                 
Public Facilities (DOTPF), said:                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     The  bill  before  you  raises the  bond  cap  for  the                                                                    
     issuance  of international  revenue assistance  revenue                                                                    
     bonds by $288  million. This increase will  allow us to                                                                    
     issue bonds  that will be  used to finance  projects at                                                                    
     Fairbanks and Anchorage airports.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Anchorage  is the  number one  cargo  airport in  North                                                                    
     America. The  outlook for cargo at  Anchorage indicates                                                                    
     a  steady growth  in  cargo and  much  of the  airports                                                                    
     operation is  financed by  cargo carriers.  The airport                                                                    
     is  operated in  accordance  with an  agreement with  a                                                                    
     carrier  that obligates  the carriers  to  pay for  the                                                                    
     operation of  the airport, including the  redemption of                                                                    
     these bonds that we would  like to issue. The operating                                                                    
     costs are  paid out of  revenues from the  carriers and                                                                    
     federal FAA funds for capital programs.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     1:38:21 PM                                                                                                               
     There  are  27  carriers  that  are  signatory  to  the                                                                    
     agreement  and they  voted in  January  on the  Capital                                                                    
     Improvement Projects that these  bonds will finance and                                                                    
     approved the  package. Revenue bonds are  commonly used                                                                    
     at airports across the country  to finance this type of                                                                    
     capital improvement.  As an example, I  think that each                                                                    
     of the  New York airports  carries about $2  billion in                                                                    
     bond debt.  These bonds will provide  the financing for                                                                    
     new  terminals  in Fairbanks,  the  concourse  A and  B                                                                    
     retrofit  in   Anchorage  and  a  number   of  airfield                                                                    
     projects. There  are no general funds  involved in this                                                                    
     project.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:40:18 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR COWDERY  said Anchorage International Airport  sells more                                                               
fuel   than  Los   Angles  International   Airport  and   Houston                                                               
International Airport,  which indicates its size  and importance.                                                               
He heard approximately  11 percent of the  Anchorage workforce is                                                               
involved in the airport. He expressed support for SB 153.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  HUGGINS said  it is  important for  the committee  to know                                                               
what projects the bill would allow  and how the bill would affect                                                               
the price of airline tickets in Alaska.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER BARTON said ticket  purchasers and federal taxpayers                                                               
would  pay for  the  improvements. In  addition  to the  terminal                                                               
projects, SB  153 would allow runway  reconstruction and airfield                                                               
maintenance  equipment in  Fairbanks.  The runway  reconstruction                                                               
would  cost   almost  $52   million;  the   airfield  maintenance                                                               
equipment  would be  just  under $3  million.  With the  terminal                                                               
projects,  the  total cost  of  maintenance  and improvements  at                                                               
Fairbanks would be $155 million over the next five years.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Expenditures in  Anchorage will include aprons,  general aviation                                                               
parking,  additional taxiway,  a  snow  melting system,  homeland                                                               
security upgrades in the  terminal, noise abatement improvements,                                                               
safety,   security,   and    information   system   improvements,                                                               
utilities,  roads  and  grounds  upgrades,  airfield  maintenance                                                               
equipment  and advanced  project planning  and design.  The total                                                               
investment will be  Anchorage is $288 million over  the next five                                                               
years.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR KOOKESH arrived at 1:46:04 PM.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR HUGGINS  asked whether additional  land has been  set aside                                                               
to   accommodate  the   planned   expansion   of  the   Anchorage                                                               
International Airport.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER BARTON said  land has been set  aside to accommodate                                                               
the future expansion of the Anchorage International Airport.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR HUGGINS said:                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     Let's take  a worst-case  scenario, which is  this bond                                                                    
     package  doesn't   happen.  Could  you  give   us  your                                                                    
     thoughts as Department  of Transportation Commissioner,                                                                    
     about the  impact of  that in  terms of  the concourses                                                                    
     and hazardous materials and things of that nature.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER BARTON responded:                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     One  of the  major reasons  for the  concourse A  and B                                                                    
     retrofit  is  that  they  are  deficient  in  terms  of                                                                    
     seismic standards. The octagonal  end of concourse B is                                                                    
     at  extreme  risk. The  concourse  itself  is the  next                                                                    
     level down in risk and  the ticket and concessions area                                                                    
     is also at extreme risk.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:49:37 PM                                                                                                                    
DAVE  EBERLE, Director  of  Airport  Construction, Department  of                                                               
Transportation and Public Facilities (DOTPF), said:                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     Concourse B poses the largest  risk. The hexagon at the                                                                    
     end of concourse B and  the ticket lobby and concession                                                                    
     area are at  the next highest-level risk.   Concourse B                                                                    
     itself could  actually suffer a  total collapse  in the                                                                    
     event of a  major quake according to  a recent thorough                                                                    
     evaluation of all of  the airport structures. Concourse                                                                    
     A  is  in the  best  shape.  It  is the  most  recently                                                                    
     constructed and  only has  a few  seismic deficiencies.                                                                    
     However,  there  are   some  structural  upgrades  that                                                                    
     should be done to A at this time.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER BARTON asked Mr. Eberle to address the Fairbanks                                                                   
terminal.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. EBERLE responded:                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     I don't know all of the  details of Fairbanks, but I do                                                                    
     know they  have similar structural deficiencies  in the                                                                    
     older   sections   of   their  buildings.   There   are                                                                    
     additional problems  in Fairbanks  due to  the location                                                                    
     of  the  terminal  to  the  taxiways.  There  are  some                                                                    
     interference    issues     arising    from    clearance                                                                    
     requirements between  the taxiway  and any  jets parked                                                                    
     at the terminal.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     1:52:09 PM                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     They  have evaluated  whether they  should rehabilitate                                                                    
     the  existing terminal  or build  a new  terminal. They                                                                    
     have decided that it is  most cost effective to upgrade                                                                    
     the newer sections  of the terminal and  to rebuild the                                                                    
     older sections of the terminal.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER BARTON  said that the  vulnerability of  the airport                                                               
to seismic  activity represents  a great  liability to  the state                                                               
since  it  could be  accountable  for  losses associated  with  a                                                               
collapse  of the  concourse. He  added that  in the  event of  an                                                               
earthquake, it  would be  very important  to have  an operational                                                               
airport.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR HUGGINS said:                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     Mr.  Commissioner,  I think  that  it  is important  to                                                                    
     Alaskans to  have some assurance  that we won't  have a                                                                    
     repeat  of  the  cost  overruns  that  we  had  in  the                                                                    
     previous  concourse.Could you  speak  to us  for a  few                                                                    
     moments about that.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER BARTON responded:                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     I would  be delighted to  address that. First,  part of                                                                    
     an  overrun on  concourse  C was  the  result of  9/11.                                                                    
     Second, part  of the  additional cost  was a  result of                                                                    
     increased  space  needs  that were  identified  by  the                                                                    
     airlines. The third  part was a result  of the building                                                                    
     permit  process and  none of  us want  to revisit  what                                                                    
     happened there.   We  have decided  to use  a different                                                                    
     management  process for  both Fairbanks  and Anchorage,                                                                    
     what  is  commonly   called  'Construction  Manager  at                                                                    
     Risk'.  Before we  enter  into  the final  construction                                                                    
     contract, we  will ask for  a guaranteed  maximum price                                                                    
     for each of the terminal facilities.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     This  is a  process  that  has not  been  used much  in                                                                    
     Alaska.  It  has  been  used  in  other  parts  of  the                                                                    
     country. It  has been used  extensively by the  City of                                                                    
     Phoenix.  I think  that,  coupled  with the  management                                                                    
     structure that  we have agreed with,  with the airlines                                                                    
     called  'Program   Executive  Committee'  which   is  a                                                                    
     committee  composed of  an  airline representative  and                                                                    
     some  DOT staff,  which  will look  at  any changes  in                                                                    
     scope that might come forth  as this project moves down                                                                    
     the road, and  they will make recommendations  to me on                                                                    
     whether to accept or reject  them. Our goal is to bring                                                                    
     this  project in  on time  and on  budget and  we think                                                                    
     that this process will allow us to accomplish that.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR COWDERY asked  if the state would  insure the contractors                                                               
working  on  the projects  or  if  the contractors  would  insure                                                               
themselves.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:57:27 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  EBERLE  replied  that  the design  firm  would  have  annual                                                               
insurance  through  the  Division   of  Insurance.  He  said  the                                                               
department  has not  decided if  it will  buy a  project-specific                                                               
policy  such  as  it  did   for  the  concourse  C  project.  The                                                               
construction  manager  at  risk  would  not  be  the  appropriate                                                               
contracting  body to  carry  the annual  insurance;  it would  be                                                               
carried through  the designer. Either the  department would place                                                               
a  separate  policy  or  it  would be  done  through  the  design                                                               
department.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:59:04 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR FRENCH  asked how the projects  would add to the  cost of                                                               
an airline ticket.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. BARTON  replied he assumes  the airlines have  considered the                                                               
question  and have  determined that  it  would not  significantly                                                               
affect their market.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:00:40 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR FRENCH  asked whether the  cost of improvements  would be                                                               
paid by local ticket revenue.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  BARTON  said the  payment  would  not be  localized                                                               
since the airports  of Anchorage and Fairbanks are  operated as a                                                               
single entity in terms of cost recovery.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  BARTON remarked  about  80 percent  of the  revenue                                                               
collected  from the  International  Airport  System is  collected                                                               
from cargo carriers is not related to passenger ticket prices.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:03:11 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR FRENCH asked the state's upper  limit to pay for bonds at                                                               
both airports.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER BARTON  replied the  limit is  ultimately determined                                                               
by what the  bond buyers are willing  to pay. He does  not know a                                                               
specific number and he reminded  the committee that many airports                                                               
have a greater bond debt than Alaska has.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
DEVEN MITCHELL, debt manager, Department of Revenue, commented:                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     The question  as far as  what is the  airports capacity                                                                    
     to borrow  is answered  by a  complex equation,  if you                                                                    
     will.   There are rates  and charges at the  airport as                                                                    
     it is  operated as  an enterprise fund  as Commissioner                                                                    
     Barton pointed out, and  there is potential competition                                                                    
     for the  cargo carriers  from other airport  systems in                                                                    
     North  America.   I think  that  Anchorage has  certain                                                                    
     strategic  advantages   in  terms  of   its  geographic                                                                    
     location  and its  regulations.   As far  as how  their                                                                    
     fees compare  to the other potential  competition, they                                                                    
     are well below the other airports.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     As far as additional bonds,  we have covenants that are                                                                    
     in  our bond  documents which  are already  outstanding                                                                    
     that limit our  ability to issue additional  bonds.  We                                                                    
     have to  have a  feasibility report conducted  and meet                                                                    
     both  an additional  bonds  test as  well  as an  early                                                                    
     recovery  requirement projected  into the  future.   So                                                                    
     those  are   assurances  that   we  have   provided  to                                                                    
     purchasers of this debt that  we won't borrow too much.                                                                    
     Again, as  commissioner Barton pointed out,  the market                                                                    
     has  indicated  what  they are  comfortable  with  this                                                                    
     level of  borrowing and if  we were to go  beyond that,                                                                    
     the  rating   of  the  airport  system   as  a  revenue                                                                    
     enterprise would  be in jeopardy  and it would  be more                                                                    
     difficult to sell such bonds.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     In  all of  my interactions  with  the ratings  analyst                                                                    
     that cover  the airport  system as well  as underwrites                                                                    
     that  follow  the  state   generally  and  the  airport                                                                    
     specifically, they  have all  been of the  opinion that                                                                    
     it is still  reasonable and very doable  for the system                                                                    
     to undertake this level of construction activity.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR FRENCH asked how one  determines the expenses included in                                                               
a bond package.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. BARTON  replied the  first determination is  whether it  is a                                                               
capital   improvement  project   or  equipment   for  a   capital                                                               
improvement project.  After that  is decided,  a meeting  is held                                                               
with the  airlines to go  through the non-operating  budget items                                                               
and come to an agreement on what the program would be.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:07:45 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR FRENCwhether all of  the aforementioned improvements fall                                                               
under capital expenses rather than operating expenses.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER BARTON responded that all  of the expenses that have                                                               
been put before the committee are capital expenses.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:08:49 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  HUGGINS remarked  there were  27 carriers  on the  list of                                                               
signatories  and asked  if  some of  them were  swept  up in  the                                                               
momentum.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER BARTON said:                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     There is  no question, some  of them didn't  even vote.                                                                    
     They  were provided  a  ballot to  vote.  I think  that                                                                    
     there  were only  a total  of 15  or 17  votes for  the                                                                    
     highest   project.  Some   of  the   carriers  do   not                                                                    
     participate, but  the way that the  voting structure is                                                                    
     set up is that two-thirds  of them have to disapprove a                                                                    
     project for it to be  not approved. In other words, not                                                                    
     voting is  recorded as  approval. So  some of  them may                                                                    
     well have  thought this through and  understanding that                                                                    
     process, just  didn't bother to go  through the process                                                                    
     of voting.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  HUGGINS asked  whether it  is  possible that  a number  of                                                               
carriers could  go away  and thus cause  general fund  dollars to                                                               
have to be used on the bonds process.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER BARTON said  these bonds are insured  and no general                                                               
fund  dollars are  at risk  since  the insurance  will cover  any                                                               
failure on the part of  the signatories. Secondly the probability                                                               
of carriers going  away is higher than that of  the markets going                                                               
away.  If  an individual  carrier  leaves  the Anchorage  market,                                                               
somebody would replace it.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:12:42 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR COWDERY asked whether  the pavement construction problems                                                               
associated with non-layered pavement have been corrected.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER BARTON responded they  have been corrected. He asked                                                               
his assistant to explain the cause of the problems.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. EBERLY said he did not know.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:14:50 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR HUGGINS remarked  highways in Alaska have  a five-year life                                                               
expectancy. He asked  what is the lifespan of  Alaskan runways as                                                               
compared those of the Lower 48.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR EBERLY replied:                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     A lot  of the  life expectancy  of a  runway has  to do                                                                    
     with the volume  and weight of the  aircraft using that                                                                    
     runway; it has  a lot to do with the  materials used to                                                                    
     build the runway.  I  believe that the Fairbanks runway                                                                    
     is in excess  of 30 years old and that  is why they are                                                                    
     going through  a major reconstruction effort.   Here in                                                                    
     Anchorage I would expect a  runway to last from four to                                                                    
     seven years.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  COWDERY  moved SB  153  from  committee with  individual                                                               
recommendations  and  attached  fiscal   notes.  There  being  no                                                               
objections, the motion carried.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
                   ^OVERVIEW: DOTPF PROJECTS                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
BRAD SWORTS,  Mat-Su Area  Planner, Department  of Transportation                                                               
and Public  Facilities (DOTPF), presented a  slide and commentary                                                               
on the Parks Highway Multimodal  Alternative Wasilla Corridor. He                                                               
said that  the Wasilla  area is  growing so  rapidly that  it its                                                               
downtown area is becoming congested.   At the present time 33,000                                                               
vehicles  travel the  Parks  Highway  per day  and  this rate  is                                                               
projected to rise to  54,000 by the year 2025.   He said that the                                                               
Department of  Transportation and  Public Facilities  (DOT) needs                                                               
$2  million  to  begin  an   environmental  process  to  build  a                                                               
multimodal corridor,  which will  probably run south  of Wasilla.                                                               
He said that  he expects the Alaska Railroad Corporation  to be a                                                               
full partner in the process.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:29:11 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. SWORTS  said one of the  advantages of acting now  instead of                                                               
later is as the area continues  to develop; the cost of right-of-                                                               
way  will continue  to increase.  Other  Parks Highways  projects                                                               
have   demonstrated   that    right-of-way   costs   can   exceed                                                               
construction costs.  The second advantage is  the preservation of                                                               
lower impact corridors  and the longer one waits  the less choice                                                               
one  has of  the corridor  to choose.  It is  possible that  many                                                               
presently  viable  corridors  may be  eliminated  by  development                                                               
around Wasilla.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. SWORTS  said the  department is trying  to provide  a freeway                                                               
style multi-lane, controlled access  highway with interchanges at                                                               
major  intersections.   DOT  projections  show  that   without  a                                                               
controlled  access  corridor,  as  many  as  12  lanes  would  be                                                               
required to carry  the east-west traffic load and  those 12 lanes                                                               
will not fit through Wasilla, Meadow Lakes, or Houston.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  BARTON said  the  next project  is  the North  Pole                                                               
Interchange on the Richardson Highway.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
JERRY RAFSON,  Chief of Finance,  Northern Region,  Department of                                                               
Transportation  and Public  Facilities  (DOTPF),  said the  North                                                               
Pole is  a fast  growing area  with a lot  of land  available for                                                               
development. The  City of North  Pole has gravitated to  the more                                                               
recently built section of the  Richardson Highway and there is an                                                               
increasing  amount  of cross-town  traffic  as  a result  of  the                                                               
development.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:41:40 PM                                                                                                                    
The North Pole Interchange is  at the intersection of Dawson Road                                                               
and  the  Richardson  Highway.   The  project  would  convert  an                                                               
existing ad  grade unit  section to  a separated  interchange. It                                                               
would  also extended  frontage roads  to the  east to  connect up                                                               
with 5th Avenue  and Mission Road and Lawrence  Road. The project                                                               
includes  extending Dawson  Road  to the  south  to connect  with                                                               
Lawrence Road in  the refinery area and extends  Frontage Road to                                                               
the West towards Mission Road.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR.  RAFSON  said  the  DOT   is  currently  in  the  process  of                                                               
preliminary engineering for the project  and expects to finish it                                                               
this year. The  utilities and right-of-way phases  of the project                                                               
would  begin  shortly  after.  The  DOT  hopes  to  move  to  the                                                               
construction phase  by 2007. GARVEE  bonds originally  funded the                                                               
project for  $16 million, but  changes made in the  public review                                                               
and  design process  raised  the  cost of  the  project to  about                                                               
$23.35 million. The DOT plans  to cover the increase with federal                                                               
highway  stipulated funds.  He said  that  much additional  work,                                                               
including everything from a bypass  to additional overpasses, was                                                               
requested,  but   given  the  funding  situation;   the  DOT  has                                                               
determined that those projects would have  to be carried out in a                                                               
later phase.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:43:39 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR THERRIAULT said:                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     You have  said that the  design changes have  upped the                                                                    
     dollar  amount  and  the  additional  overpass  at  5th                                                                    
     avenue  will  have  to  be   a  separate  project.  The                                                                    
     original GARVEE  amount was light  at that time  was it                                                                    
     not?                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. RAFSON said that is correct.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  THERRIAULT asked  whether the  department has  a request                                                               
for funding for the 5th Street overpass project.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR.  RAFSON  answered  additional  funding  is  included  in  the                                                               
stipulation for 2007 when funds for the project are needed.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR THERRIAULT  asked whether the department  would terminate                                                               
crossover traffic at  5th Avenue and Mission Road as  part of the                                                               
project.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. RAFSON responded crossover traffic  at 5th Avenue and Mission                                                               
Road would be  terminated. He said cross  traffic between Mission                                                               
Road and  Lawrence Road would  have to follow Frontage  Road down                                                               
to the interchange to cross.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:46:03 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. RAFSON  presented a slide  on accident  statistics pertaining                                                               
to the  roads involved in  the project.  The main purpose  of the                                                               
project is to  improve safety while maintaining the  pass for the                                                               
upper Richardson Highway. There have  been a number of fatalities                                                               
and injuries in  the area and the project would  help reduce such                                                               
incidents  by eliminating  conflicts  created by  the slow  speed                                                               
local traffic trying to cross the high speed Richardson highway.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR THERRIAULT asked Mr. Rafson  whether he has the latitude;                                                               
within the design limitations imposed  by the federal government,                                                               
to  oversize the  culverts in  the  Cheena Slough.  He said  that                                                               
North  Pole  has an  ongoing  problem  with beavers  damming  the                                                               
culverts and preventing maintenance workers from clearing them.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR.  RAFSON replied  the department  has the  ability to  install                                                               
oversized culverts  and he would  look into having  such culverts                                                               
installed.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR COWDERY  stated the federal requirements  associated with                                                               
the GARVEE  bonds are more  stringent than other  available means                                                               
of  funding and  if so,  whether the  federal requirements  might                                                               
create unnecessary delays for the project.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR.  RAFSON said  to use  GARVEE bonds,  the federal  aid process                                                               
must  be  followed  compliance with  the  National  Environmental                                                               
Policy Act  must be  met. Environmental  requirements are  not as                                                               
stringent with general fund bonds.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR.  RAFSON  presented  a  series of  slides  and  commentary  on                                                               
proposed  improvements for  the  University  Avenue, Geist  Road,                                                               
Johansen   Expressway  Intersection.   The  Johansen   Expressway                                                               
carries over 20,000 vehicles a  day and University Avenue carries                                                               
a similar amount. He said the  traffic in the area is expected to                                                               
increase by  3 to 4 percent  a year. The intersection  has one of                                                               
the  highest  accident  rates  in  the  Northern  Region  largely                                                               
because of severe congestion during peak hours.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
The severe  congestion is  partially due to  a lack  of dedicated                                                               
right turn  lanes in  the intersection.  This project  intends to                                                               
provide those  lanes as  well as  similar modifications  that are                                                               
required   to  move   traffic  through   the  intersection   more                                                               
efficiently.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:52:42 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  RAFSON  presented  a  slide  on  the  project's  budget  and                                                               
schedule. The department has proposed  the project be funded with                                                               
general funds because that would allow  it to be completed two to                                                               
three years  sooner than  the proposed  federal project.  He said                                                               
that  the time  saved through  general funding  would mean  fewer                                                               
accidents in the area.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:54:56 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. RAFSON  presented a  series of slides  on projects  that have                                                               
been proposed along the McCarthy Road.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:56:56 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. RAFSON said the McCarthy road  is a 59-mile road running from                                                               
the  community  of  Chitna  to the  community  of  McCarthy.  The                                                               
proposed projects would  improve access to the  Wrangle St. Elias                                                               
National  Park and  Reserve, the  Town of  McCarthy, and  various                                                               
land holdings along  the road. While there is  very little summer                                                               
traffic along the road now,  the department projects that traffic                                                               
will reach summer  peaks of 600 vehicles per day  in the next ten                                                               
years.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
The existing road is very  narrow and lacks surfacing and ditches                                                               
and there  are many locations  that have extensive mud  and water                                                               
flowing over  the road.  The population  of McCarthy,  while only                                                               
about  66 now,  swells in  the  summer with  visitors and  summer                                                               
transients. There  are several hotels  and bed and  breakfasts in                                                               
the town.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:59:05 PM                                                                                                                    
The  department   has  research   for  an   environmental  impact                                                               
statement  (EIS) underway  for various  proposed projects  on the                                                               
McCarthy  Road. The  department has  proposed major  improvements                                                               
for the first section of the  road, which would be initiated when                                                               
the environmental impact statements are completed.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:01:27 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  RAFSON said  the department  expects to  complete the  draft                                                               
environmental impact  statement for its various  projects by next                                                               
winter.  The department  has determined  that  widening the  road                                                               
into  two  lanes  would  cost  an  estimated  $100  million.  The                                                               
department has chosen to focus on  the first section of the road,                                                               
which  is the  section that  gets the  most traffic  and has  the                                                               
worst potential for a landslide.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
The  department feels  it is  imperative to  get funding  just to                                                               
keep the  road open  and that  is what  the state  funded project                                                               
proposal  is intended  to do.  It would  allow the  department to                                                               
side step some  of the federal red tape and,  hopefully, allow it                                                               
to be  able to deliver  some drainage and  surfacing improvements                                                               
by next summer.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
3:05:31 PM                                                                                                                    
The department has another project  called Slide and Flood Damage                                                               
Repairs. Several  years ago there  was a flooding event  in which                                                               
the  Cheena River  ate  into  the approach  to  the Cheena  River                                                               
Bridge.  During the  same storm  there was  a slide  in the  area                                                               
between Kennicott  and McCarthy where  the road was  covered with                                                               
10  to 20  feet of  mud.  The department  is currently  designing                                                               
permanent repairs  that would  protect the  bridge in  the future                                                               
and ensure  that the  mudslide area  is dry  enough to  allow for                                                               
permanent repairs.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR.  RAFSON  related  the  department's  final  project  involves                                                               
improvements  in  the parking  situation  on  both sides  of  the                                                               
footbridge at the end of the McCarthy Road.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:07:31 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR HUGGINS  asked whether he correctly  understood the witness                                                               
to say that the average daily  projected peak use of the McCarthy                                                               
Road would rise to 600 vehicles per day.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. RAFSON repeated  the peak daily traffic rate  is projected to                                                               
rise to 600 vehicles per day.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR HUGGINS  asked what  the current peak  traffic rate  of the                                                               
McCarthy Road is.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. RAFSON replied it is about 100 vehicles per day.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
There being  no further  business to  come before  the committee,                                                               
Chair Huggins adjourned the meeting at 3:10:09 PM.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                

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